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TrevorS 10-09-2011 10:21 PM

Just installed a Bazooka xB2 subwoofer :)!
 
As I said, I just installed a Bazooka VSE-SCI-145L-07 subwoofer that's designed specifically for our cars. It form fits deep into the right rear corner with an aprox .5 cu-ft bass reflex cabinet with an internal 50/50W dual channel amp and dual VC 8" driver. Frequency response is 35 to 85Hz.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33...ubwoofer_1.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33...ubwoofer_3.jpg

As is usual for me, I made some wiring mods :p, but it worked pretty darned good as is and includes a completely factory compatible wiring harness. The harness uses the front door speaker outputs from the head unit to detect the bass.

I find it provides easily more than enough bass to meld cleanly with my door speakers at normal listening levels. (However, if your intent is to attract the attention of passersby or vibrate the fasteners out of your car, look elsewhere.)

phobic 10-09-2011 10:44 PM

I dont like these at all. They look just kinda throw in. The bottom isnt flush with anything, seems out of place IMO.




TrevorS 10-09-2011 10:55 PM

My only disappointment is they sit just a tad too low to permit my cargo liner flap to slide underneath -- 'course, that's an accessory, so one can't expect too much. The especially nice thing about these is they keep the cargo area completely clear while providing very good sonic integration with the door speakers (IMO). Course, cool, everyone has their own likes and dislikes :p!

TartanJack 10-09-2011 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phobic (Post 83421)
I dont like these at all. They look just kinda throw in. The bottom isnt flush with anything, seems out of place IMO.

The bottom is basically flush w/ the floor level. BUT, it also sits over the cavity there, so it looks like it is just hanging there. In person, it looks better and more "inconspicuous" than in most shots of it.




TrevorS 10-10-2011 12:06 AM

The above two photos were intended to focus on the sub, but in light of Jack's remarks, perhaps this would be useful.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33...ubwoofer_2.jpg

I agree, it's appearance is somewhat inconspicuous, whereas the typical rear sub installation is certainly not (the under seat installations being best for invisibility :))! My personal intent was to reasonably conveniently and inexpensively enjoy a low bass sonic upgrade without impacting my useful cargo capacity. I think the Bazooka does well with that! (Just something of a shame about that cargo liner flap :(.)

TARDIS 10-10-2011 01:21 AM

I like them and think they're a great entry level option for low end sound for low end money.

TrevorS 10-10-2011 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TARDIS (Post 83426)
I like them and think they're a great entry level option for low end sound for low end money.

Although the sound can be somewhat upgraded via judicious mods to the supplied package, it delivers pretty good performance without any mods at all :)! In my view, it all depends on the goals of the owner. If what you're looking for is a cohesive sound within your vehicle, I'd say this works. However, if you desire to bring home trophies, then perhaps other options should be evaluated :p!

quackPOT 10-10-2011 04:54 AM

Thanks for the info. I have both the cargo mat & top cover. I knew it conflicts with the cover edge support piece, but not the mat too. It's a bummer because I'd love to get the bass unit. Oh well...

TartanJack 10-10-2011 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorS (Post 83427)
[snip] However, if you desire to bring home trophies, then perhaps other options should be evaluated :p!

In many places, you need a HUGE custom fiberglass box to even be looked at for a trophy. Even hidden units that sound better get overlooked (excuse the pun).
(-A bit jaded over most car show judging by people w/ certain expectations that get every "custom" car looking alike and many pretty impractical as a regular transport car. But, that's just one soda box . . .
-modern soapboxes won't hold up anyone anymore.)




AJ_Gil 10-10-2011 09:11 AM

Yeah, this remains at the top of reasonably priced options (if you get the $200.00 one on E Bay) to round out the sound.

I was back at the audio installers Sat getting my BA crossovers adjusted and inquired about the JA built for XB sub. $650+ and that's without the amp and install! Geez......

I'm curious to see what Amped Performance comes up with in the other thread but in this economy?????

Thanks for the install post.

phobic 10-10-2011 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorS (Post 83423)
My only disappointment is they sit just a tad too low to permit my cargo liner flap to slide underneath -- 'course, that's an accessory, so one can't expect too much. The especially nice thing about these is they keep the cargo area completely clear while providing very good sonic integration with the door speakers (IMO). Course, cool, everyone has their own likes and dislikes :p!

yeah definitely. I wish my cargo area was clear haha.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TartanJack (Post 83424)
The bottom is basically flush w/ the floor level. BUT, it also sits over the cavity there, so it looks like it is just hanging there. In person, it looks better and more "inconspicuous" than in most shots of it.

yeah, thats what I don't like, it blocks the cubby hole, but doesnt cover it completely, kinda weird.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TartanJack (Post 83430)
In many places, you need a HUGE custom fiberglass box to even be looked at for a trophy. Even hidden units that sound better get overlooked (excuse the pun).
(-A bit jaded over most car show judging by people w/ certain expectations that get every "custom" car looking alike and many pretty impractical as a regular transport car. But, that's just one soda box . . .
-modern soapboxes won't hold up anyone anymore.)

this is so true. My setup sounds like garbage, but wins trophies cause it looks awesome. It would be nice if a judge would actually take the time to understand what goes into a great custom sub enclosure thats both functional and looks great, but they dont for the most part.




TrevorS 10-10-2011 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quackPOT (Post 83428)
Thanks for the info. I have both the cargo mat & top cover. I knew it conflicts with the cover edge support piece, but not the mat too. It's a bummer because I'd love to get the bass unit. Oh well...

I just took another look at it and tried removing the upper mount to see if there was any vertical play at all, and came up with none (definitely none at the bottom right mount). Then I felt across the bottom rear and it feels firmly and evenly in contact with the tray corner. So, I guess that's the design. The mat would go under if just the rightmost portion of that corner flap were trimmed off, probably less than an inch since the cabinet rear is lower than the front -- will have to think about that.

TrevorS 10-10-2011 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phobic (Post 83433)
yeah, thats what I don't like, it blocks the cubby hole, but doesnt cover it completely, kinda weird.

Actually, the corner tray is still pretty useable. The sub cabinet only extends over the outside corner of it.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33...ubwoofer_4.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33...ubwoofer_5.jpg

TrevorS 10-10-2011 09:36 PM

Just spent a couple hours nailing down the relative sub level with a selection of CD's. This is one very capable little subwoofer :o! Discs used were:

Ingenue -- K.D. Lang
Legend -- Bob Marley
Taj -- Taj Mahal
Suddenly -- Billy Ocean
Chicago -- Chicago
Reflections (live performance) -- Carly Simon
Spread Your Wings and Fly (live performance) -- Laura Nyro

Primary listening focus was accurate bass-line reproduction, as demonstrated by believable tonality -- no one-note bass nonsense, rather clear pitch distinction between notes. I heard natural sounding bass registers with the live performance acoustic piano, excellent electric and acoustic bass reproduction, tight and clean with easily enough wave front pressure to feel in the stomach, excellent integration with the door speakers -- very impressed! I had no idea adding a sub could make such a difference, an 8" sub no less :)!

As I mentioned earlier, I did mod the wiring and it did make a difference, but as supplied, the sub works very well.

My setup:
Kenwood KDC-X792 head unit
Alpine SPS-17C2 coax door speakers
OE "A"-pillar tweeters
Edead damping in all doors
Bazooka w/ 10 AWG power, 12AWG ground, RCA sub out to low-level sub inputs

Totally awesome and highly affordable (~$200) :cheers:!

AJ_Gil 10-11-2011 09:38 AM

Thanks for the write-up and follow ups. I'm going to try to slip this under the wifes radar in the near future :p

TartanJack 10-11-2011 09:50 AM

I got mine from ebay for about $90, if I recall correctly.

Edit:
Looked it up on me ebay account and it was $190, shipped.




TrevorS 10-11-2011 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ_Gil (Post 83463)
Thanks for the write-up and follow ups. I'm going to try to slip this under the wife's radar in the near future :p

I never took the subwoofer idea that seriously until you mentioned the Bazooka and I saw the way it fit and the clean install. Then you pointed out that nice price and it became serious :)!

Quote:

Originally Posted by TartanJack (Post 83464)
I got mine from ebay for about $90, if I recall correctly.

Very nice! I'm guessing you must have got yours around the time of introduction. I get the impression an 8" sub is a good size for small cars.

BrickPig 10-12-2011 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorS (Post 83449)
Bazooka w/ 10 AWG power, 12AWG ground, RCA sub out to low-level sub inputs

Hi TrevorS,

Just curious: you mentioned you did some rewiring on your setup. Your most recent post gave us a hint what you did. It sounds like the internal amp inside the VSE Bazooka enclosure has RCA inputs? If so:

- was it difficult to open the enclosure to gain access to the internal amp, and the RCA low-lovel inputs?
- can you post a pic of the internal amp, showing the wiring? Or did you use your own amp?
- did you retain the Bazooka wiring harness for the amp on/off or did you come up with your own solution?

I don't plan on altering my current sub setup, but I am curious what you did for your setup. Also it may help others on this site who are considering the VSE Bazooka. Thanks.

AJ_Gil 10-12-2011 04:26 PM

I just ordered the matching BA speakers for the rear doors and once I get past that the Bazooka will probably be next.

I too have a question on the hookup you used. You mentioned an optional hookup available to use the RCAs. Do you have a link or info? I assumed that since the Bazooks was made for the XB it yould use those but apparently not so I'm now curious which hookup offers the best sound options.

TrevorS 10-13-2011 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ_Gil (Post 83502)
I just ordered the matching BA speakers for the rear doors and once I get past that the Bazooka will probably be next.

I too have a question on the hookup you used. You mentioned an optional hookup available to use the RCAs. Do you have a link or info? I assumed that since the Bazooks was made for the XB it yould use those but apparently not so I'm now curious which hookup offers the best sound options.

The Bazooka was made to be xB2 factory head unit compatible, and it does a very good job of that regardless of year. If you want to do something a little different, then noodling and extra elbow grease is required :)! As mentioned in my SL thread, there is a shorty generic harness available that provides low-level access to the amplifier (Bazooka ELA-HP-AWK), however; deciding on and making the connections is up to you. (If you want one, I bought one, but as per my SL thread, never used it -- $10 shipped :)!) I used the original harness, but with mods! Without modding, the generic harness is most flexible.

PS. I've no idea if this input is useful, but I kept my OE tweeters and they work excellently with my aftermarket aimable coax door speakers (tweeters aimed toward the riders), just took Edead to damp the door panels to stop the diffraction interference that was screwing up the midrange (not a problem before the driver change). Also, I fade my sound a little toward the rear speakers and enjoy the greater sense of envelopment it provides. However, since the front seat backs are in the way of direct highs radiation, ambiance is limited -- though perhaps just as well since it helps keep the primary stage up front. Don't really want to smear the vocalists :)!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrickPig (Post 83500)
Hi TrevorS,

Just curious: you mentioned you did some rewiring on your setup. Your most recent post gave us a hint what you did. It sounds like the internal amp inside the VSE Bazooka enclosure has RCA inputs? If so:

- was it difficult to open the enclosure to gain access to the internal amp, and the RCA low-lovel inputs?
- can you post a pic of the internal amp, showing the wiring? Or did you use your own amp?
- did you retain the Bazooka wiring harness for the amp on/off or did you come up with your own solution?

I don't plan on altering my current sub setup, but I am curious what you did for your setup. Also it may help others on this site who are considering the VSE Bazooka. Thanks.

Specifically, what I did was --

Spent time reading about Bazooka's products and drew conclusions about the internal amp and driver. Tried to access the apparent RCAs by opening the sub cabinet and failed miserably :( (so much for possible alternative amp considerations)! Asked questions on the Bazooka forum and learned of the alternative harness, but otherwise, they don't seem very communicative :(!

Tapped my main ACC feed with a fuse holder and ran 10AWG together with the Bazooka harness to the right rear of the car.

Disconnected the Bazooka harness speaker wire taps from the "T"-connector and made RCA pigtails to instead connect them to my HU sub outputs.

Settled on the "Remote Amp" control mode (depends on one's HU) and moved the single wire harness connector to the HU side of the "T"-connector, disconnected the Bazooka harness power connection, and removed the "T"-connector entirely.

Installed a 12AWG chassis ground wire at the right rear.

Trimmed the harness power and ground wires to roughly 8" from the sub connector and soldered my power and ground replacements.

Extracted the four high-level input contacts from the sub connector and moved them as a block to adjacent the power and remote connections (polarity must be preserved).

That's basically it. I chose not to drill through the rear pocket and instead run the wires under the lower edge of the "C"-pillar panel (hidden adjacent the taillight access panel) -- I really hate drilling holes in factory panels if avoidable :(!

Currently working on trimming the corner flap of my cargo liner to fit under the sub. In other words, I consider the sub a keeper :)!

Thinking of your own setup, I'm guessing your low frequency rolloff is roughly 30Hz instead of the Bazooka 35Hz. Bottom end extension isn't free and 30Hz is pretty darned good! I've no question you'll enjoy your install :)!

TARDIS 10-13-2011 07:09 AM

This is the cheapest I've found it. ($199 shipped)

Bazooka 2007-2011 Scion XB 8" 100W Car Audio Subwoofer

alfundo 10-13-2011 12:22 PM

I have a used Bazooka with some minor damage that I'll let go for $100 shipped. Includes all new wiring, template and mounting pieces. when i got rear ended the mounting spot got pushed into enclosure.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8614/speakerd.jpg

BrickPig 10-13-2011 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TARDIS (Post 83521)
This is the cheapest I've found it. ($199 shipped)

Once in a while, this eBay seller has it for $179 shipped.

Bazooka 2007-2011 Scion XB 8" 100W Car Audio Subwoofer | eBay

(Found via a search for "scion xb bazooka")

TrevorS 10-14-2011 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorS (Post 83512)
Currently working on trimming the corner flap of my cargo liner to fit under the sub. In other words, I consider the sub a keeper :)!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33...ubwoofer_6.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33...bwoofer_10.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33...bwoofer_11.jpg

The overlap area was deeper than I realized and I had to remove roughly half the flap depth. I could probably have left another 1/4", but it's fine :).

TrevorS 10-20-2011 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorS (Post 83423)
The especially nice thing about these is they keep the cargo area completely clear while providing very good sonic integration with the door speakers (IMO).

Just want to clarify on the first of the two points. I was thinking in terms of the cargo area as the space between the two rear wheel liners on forward, but as you can see from the photos, the sub does, in fact, consume some space out of the right rear corner. I personally don't find it significant, especially in comparison to any other rear sub installation I've seen; however, my saying the cargo area is kept "completely clear", even with an IMO flag, is dubious -- sorry about that :p!

Troll 10-21-2011 01:00 PM

So am I reading this all correctly? This unit does not have a low level(rca) input as sold, there's another harness to by to use RCA input?

TartanJack 10-21-2011 03:12 PM

As sold, the unit plugs right into the factory harness, plus a "tube crimp" connection to the head power wire. There is NO RCA wire connection at all (at least that exits the box).
The main reason is that the basic-factory radio (at least the original Pioneer units) did not have any RCA outputs at all. So, a sub-unit was devised that plugged direct into the basic headunit.
To fit a an RCA wire, one would need to crack open the Bazooka unit to get to the amp. I'll leave detail of that to those who have. I just used the unit as supplied.




TrevorS 10-23-2011 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TartanJack (Post 83750)
As sold, the unit plugs right into the factory harness, plus a "tube crimp" connection to the head power wire. There is NO RCA wire connection at all (at least that exits the box).
The main reason is that the basic-factory radio (at least the original Pioneer units) did not have any RCA outputs at all. So, a sub-unit was devised that plugged direct into the basic headunit.
To fit a an RCA wire, one would need to crack open the Bazooka unit to get to the amp. I'll leave detail of that to those who have. I just used the unit as supplied.

Actually, it's not necessary to open the cabinet to access the RCA inputs. However, it is necessary to remove the shrink cover from the provided OE subwoofer harness connector and connect to the four low-level contacts adjacent the power and remote. Another solution is to purchase the generic Bazooka harness. I chose to modify the provided harness :)!

TrevorS 10-27-2011 01:55 AM

A little time has passed and I thought I'd make an update. Installing a subwoofer provided the opportunity to learn about my HU sub adjustments and that's helped improve the sound. Discovered I had the sub phase reversed (there's a reversal switch adjacent the sub connector), and so I've been able to set the level lower while achieving a more accurate sound :). I've also raised the sub roll-off at the head unit to 120 Hz to provide a more relaxed crossover between it (85Hz internal) and the door speakers. Finally, now the crossover region is smoother, I've set the bass boost frequency to 40Hz which gives a very effective bottom with just a couple dB of boost. NJ has a good golden oldie "Cruise'n'" station that's fun to listen to in the car and I never realized how much bottom those older tunes actually had! This little sub is turning out to be a very enjoyable upgrade :)!

alfundo 11-08-2011 09:22 AM

Thanks to your input i flipped the switch in the back and the Bazooka has a much nicer punch to it now. in the other mode it seems to be too overpowering at times. Kudos! where at in NJ are you? i wotk in Hunterdon county.

AJ_Gil 11-08-2011 09:31 AM

I still want one of these to finish off my system.
Hello Christmas :cheers:

TrevorS 11-09-2011 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfundo (Post 84228)
Thanks to your input i flipped the switch in the back and the Bazooka has a much nicer punch to it now. in the other mode it seems to be too overpowering at times. Kudos! where at in NJ are you? i wotk in Hunterdon county.

Thanks and glad it helped you :)! I'm actually in north Delaware, but I do get a kick out of 92.1 FM. I've been a fan for a long time :)!

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ_Gil (Post 84229)
I still want one of these to finish off my system.
Hello Christmas :cheers:

Glad to learn you're still interested in the Bazooka :)! I really do think it's a great value/performer, and it's a very much do-it-yourself install if you're willing to take it on -- consider it a learning opportunity (together with a cash saver) :)! Just be sparing of other expenses for awhile :biggrin:!

AJ_Gil 11-10-2011 11:57 AM

The one thing I'm still unable to sort out is that I'm thinking the best way to run this is off the RCA plugs on the rear of the 2012 HU. Seems like the HU is set up to operate a sub so why tap into the existing wires as opposed to using the HU sub controls? Then I go look at that adapter available from Bazooka and it looks like a universal with a zillion wires to figure out. I will install this myself but I need to sort this out before even considering proceeding.

TrevorS 11-10-2011 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ_Gil (Post 84279)
The one thing I'm still unable to sort out is that I'm thinking the best way to run this is off the RCA plugs on the rear of the 2012 HU. Seems like the HU is set up to operate a sub so why tap into the existing wires as opposed to using the HU sub controls? Then I go look at that adapter available from Bazooka and it looks like a universal with a zillion wires to figure out. I will install this myself but I need to sort this out before even considering proceeding.

The wiring is no problem at all, I can tell you the color code of the three wires you care about (power, ground, remote). As I said, I have one of those harnesses available if you're interested. I opened the short piece of black shrink wrap to the connector so I could verify the RCA connections, but re-secured it with a couple pieces of electrical tape and it looks fine, 'course, it's invisible anyway with the sub installed :).

My guess is you'd want to use the supplied harness to pick off the power and remote at the radio, and just disconnect the four speaker level wires from the "T" connector. Then you could plug in a pair of long RCA audio cables and route them with the harness back to the right rear. Then you'd cut off the excess harness length, attach the power and remote wires to the universal harness, plug in the two RCA's, and attach the ground to the chassis.

xbowner? 11-26-2011 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfundo (Post 84228)
Thanks to your input i flipped the switch in the back and the Bazooka has a much nicer punch to it now. in the other mode it seems to be too overpowering at times. Kudos! where at in NJ are you? i wotk in Hunterdon county.

I have wondered what that switch does. Mine seems over powered too. Did you flip yours up or down?

Hellen4Wheels 11-26-2011 05:22 PM

I blew through three or four setups before we installed this "stealth" sub. I have 6.5 Polk db 4 ohm speakers in all the doors and this sub drives those quite nicely. As in the earlier discussion, the sub plugs directly into the HU, so it integrates well. There is a "depth" adjustment on the Bazooka itself; and, since it is designed to work with the other audio in the B, you can adjust it from the HU. I don't want to rattle the glass, but it does give me the bump I want because I do like to feel my music.

TrevorS 11-29-2011 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbowner? (Post 84666)
I have wondered what that switch does. Mine seems over powered too. Did you flip yours up or down?

Just try the other position, it's either better or it isn't :)! Also, make sure you don't have the level control on the sub set too high. People have a tendency to over do it :)!

alfundo 11-30-2011 11:22 AM

if i remember correctly i think i flipped it down. i have my sub level at about 1 - 2 oclock.

BXTHTRX08 12-05-2011 06:36 PM

ive tried searching for it...but are there any enclosures that places sell specifically for xb's? i have a 10inch sub and amp id love to put in the box but would like to save trunk space

i really want to beef up the sound system in the box because the factory pioneer system sounds like doo-doo, highs arent terrible, but lows sound like crap, and i have bass set at -1! really like the design of the bazooka box and jl stealthbox, just trying to get some more insight

either way, looks great! and a hellova deal for how well it performs from what ive seen/read!

alfundo 05-17-2012 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorS (Post 83477)
I never took the subwoofer idea that seriously until you mentioned the Bazooka and I saw the way it fit and the clean install. Then you pointed out that nice price and it became serious :)!


Very nice! I'm guessing you must have got yours around the time of introduction. I get the impression an 8" sub is a good size for small cars.


I got mine around the time of introduction and I paid $350. They are much more reasonable now.


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