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Did any of you guys read the article by aaron Robinsson about our Scions ? Not very pretty :mad: Page 30...
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Army rock is more of a tan. Not for me, but not bad looking- esp. with the right accents or on an Army or Marines (military) tribute.
I don't know how you get brown from blackberry crush. It def looks burgundy to me. That is actually the color I had decided on purchasing. When I went to the dealership I saw the rs 6 (didn't even know what an rs was at the time) and bought that instead.
Enough on my personal aversion to brown in fabrics and paint . . .
WE NEED BRIGHTNESS!!!
So about Toyota not promoting the Scion brand...

I rarely see tv ads for Scion. I think I have seen one 2 or 3 times during The Daily Show (the Zeus one), but never on a Chicago market station. Chicago is a large market too. Is it just the Midwest being ignored or do the coasts not get ads either?
The only ad I've seen was for a new FR-S.
I have seen quite a few over the years. though they tend to be few a far between.
So about Toyota not promoting the Scion brand...

I rarely see tv ads for Scion. I think I have seen one 2 or 3 times during The Daily Show (the Zeus one), but never on a Chicago market station. Chicago is a large market too. Is it just the Midwest being ignored or do the coasts not get ads either?

thats odd for Chicago considering the amount of xB as taxis there. the only ad campaigns i remember was the Scion United one and the Zeus one with 4 years in between them. all totaled i think i may have seen a dozen Scion commercials since ive owned one and 4 of those have been for the fr-s.
...the advent of vinyl siding. You can't change the color of your house every few years with a coat of paint so they make colors that will appeal (at least not offend) anyone.

Don't you think the same is probably true of the auto industry?...

Not that I am saying it's ok though! I like bold colors or colors that are different from most other cars.
Well, I disagree; it's not just the colors holding sales back. I see lots of black and silver Mazdas on the road, and for that matter, the teals and powder blues of the Camry and Sonata are very...safe, and those cars sell well.

Isn't it all just the cliche that plain-colored cars get less tickets?
My point with the kids was the size and practicality in a, relatively small package that is also a BLAST to drive is missing from any existent Scion or xB ads, but that IS the essence of the xB.
... The 72 cubic feet (seats flat) cargo bay in the small package was a HUGE selling point to me.
Me too, but that very trait is part of the reason the xB's time has passed. Customers are downsizing and car companies are shoving small cars out the door--

--That is, little tiny compact and subcompact cars like the Ford Focus and Chevy Sonic that all of a sudden have stunning luxurious interiors, light curb weights, 6-speeds, and 40MPG highway.

A new car has to look and feel fuel efficient, even though 40MPG or 50MPG can only save me $500 a year. MPGs are a feature, equal to headroom, legroom, and passing power. The xB just looks wrong: an SUV that isn't; a strange wagon. And then when you go look at the MPG, it's not that fuel efficient anyway.

I bought the xB as the ultimate autophobe, dividing headroom by purchase price multiplied by MPG. Now having become a raging gearhead, I got a stick shift xB, because no other car can match the xB's interior space and perky handling.

But I'm not most car buyers. It's not enough that our xB is so well balanced and so easy to live with. The xB and Scion itself need a stronger goal than just introducing a few new kids to Toyota.

For me, the elephant in the room is this question:

Why does the Kia Soul sell so well but the xB sells so poorly?

I have two answers: The short answer? Fuel Economy. 34MPG highway from 6-speed transmissions and a smaller engine that makes more horespower than a stock xB.

The long answer? Because Kia tries so hard. They're on a mission; Kia and Hyundai have been on a mission for the past five years to rise above their rental-car image. So the Kia Soul has a densely-featured interior with deeply integrated infotainment and a factory backup camera. That car looks and feels significant, well-appointed, and fuel efficient. Then look at our xB: it looks and feelsindustrial, plasticky, utilitarian, and blank! Blank as in "use it as a canvas," "roll your own in-dash GPS and subwoofers." Nothing wrong with that, except it's not the way many buyers shop. What, do they expect me to buy those weird "vortex generator" things to get better MPG?

Sorry, but I've found it galling that Toyota has treated the xB with such carelessness. The tC, FR-S, and iQ? Toyota seems to care more about those cars, so maybe Scion has a future, but there's still not enough focus.
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I'm agreeing with Jack, I would never have gone with the 2008 Scion xB if I hadn't valued what it had to offer (particularly the rear cargo volume). Since then I've made various adjustments/improvements and I now find it hard to consider a replacement. If it were totaled, I'd be flattened :(! There's just too much it does too well (including being an enjoyable ride). Perhaps Toyota doesn't know what it's doing with the Scon xB, but I'm satisfied it's the most versatile and worthwhile vehicle I've ever owned.
Now, whether the xB is an ideal or a "wrong" vehicle for the Scion brand is a different question . . .
I think BOTH have been miss-handled and done so with a serious lack of focus on either building the OR making the most of a great product (the xB).

If the xB was sold as a Toyota, I would still have looked at it. I'm weird and have an odd hatred of sedans as "half-compromised" appliances. I like vehicles that do what they are designed for exceptionally well. That includes sports cars small/cheap (Miata, Porsche, Lotus, MG, Austin-Healey, etc) and expensive (Lambo, Ferrari, Jaguar C, D, and E), off-roaders (Jeep CJ and Land Cruiser FJ), and even small Euro-Vans (Divco U, Austin A35 Countryman, Morris Minor Traveller, Commer Cob. Lloyd Kombi, VW Bus gen 1-3, and more). I also would LOVE a WRX wagon/hatch.
The xB2 IS one of those, by any brand or name.
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I'm weird and have an odd hatred of sedans as "half-compromised" appliances.
Now that's eerie, because I was about to say: "I'm not most car buyers; if I were, sedans would not exist."

It's interesting, how the most obvious, simple car designs are just left in the dust by most buyers. Fundamentally, a wagon makes better use of cargo space and parking space than a sedan, but adds almost no cost or complexity. Fundamentally, a wagon should get better fuel economy and always has better handling than an equal SUV.

And yet the most advanced family cars today are SUVs and sedans, because that's where the research goes.

I like vehicles that do what they are designed for exceptionally well. ...The xB2 IS one of those, by any brand or name.
I'll agree to that.:cheers:
Should have had AWD option..
AWD...eeesh, an extra 4K and -%20 MPG
an AWD option would be nice, Im sure scion will add that now that they have RWD covered.
Toyota has entered into a stock arrangement with Fuji Heavy Insustries wherein Toyota "controls" FHI's automotive division as part of the Toyota Group of companies.
Subaru are pioneers and advocates of AWD, so you are likely to see more and more AWD in Toyota vehicles and also Toyota stuff on Subarus.
AWD...eeesh, an extra 4K and -%20 MPG
I agree. I drove my '08 through 5-6 inches of snow and didn't really wish for AWD. It would have been nice, but the car handled the weather just fine, and a drive tunnel would mess up legroom in the back.

But it is worth mentioning, because Toyota should have offered the option. The whole "monospec" thing just seems lazy on their part. I don't know why, but cars with convoluted trim lines sell well! Maybe it makes customers feel like their car is unique, and it masks the true price of the car.

But monospec isn't enough to make a brand, and neither is "haggle-free," which just prevents us from negotiating a better price. Haggle-free couldn't save Saturn.
I agree. I drove my '08 through 5-6 inches of snow and didn't really wish for AWD. It would have been nice, but the car handled the weather just fine, and a drive tunnel would mess up legroom in the back.

But it is worth mentioning, because Toyota should have offered the option.

They did offer it, it was called the Toyota Matrix XRS and it was a slow seller.
What's killing the sales of the Scion Name is the "Pure Price" BS!

If I could have bought a Toyota X-cab truck with a 4 cyl. & 5 speed manual I would have ordered one. I was going to order a Nissan Frontier king cab but Nissan couldn't give me a build date for a truck with a manual transmission. So I bought the xB with a 5 speed manual. I can carry my MTB's (with a Raxter bike rack, don't buy this rack because they only sale at full retail also!:mad:) our kids (two dogs) and trips to CostCo.

I took my xB to a exhaust builder he really like to buy one for his little girl but he said he couldn't buy one for less then retail so he bought her another brand of auto. He said he wouldn't pay full retail for any car! To tell the truth I can't blame him!

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I call BS on pure price, you have to play the game with the saleman and his "manager" just like you do when buying any car. My XB was stickered at 22,500 with all the options it had on it (everything except it was a manual). I played the game and walked away from the saleman, made it to my car when I heard my name being called from the front door. I turned and he offered a new price for the final offer he said. I walked away with my Scion XB stickered at 22,500 for 16,900 and they paid the taxes, tags, and title.
I call BS on pure price, you have to play the game with the saleman and his "manager" just like you do when buying any car. My XB was stickered at 22,500 with all the options it had on it (everything except it was a manual). I played the game and walked away from the saleman, made it to my car when I heard my name being called from the front door. I turned and he offered a new price for the final offer he said. I walked away with my Scion XB stickered at 22,500 for 16,900 and they paid the taxes, tags, and title.
Interesting, back in early 2008, I selected two "factory" options (roof spoiler and rear bumper applique) and my price was consistent with "True Pricing", but you're suggesting that if I'd drawn a line, I'd have gotten better -- very interesting :)!
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