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Hi, I traded in my 99 Honda Prelude and just picked up my Box yesterday. I had the TRD lowering springs on and the ride height is just right for me. But as for Toyota's car, the steering wheel always feel lighter than the Honda in my opinion. And I feel like the lowering springs doesn't help too much.

Do you guys think if I put in Rear Strut bar, Strut brace will help? Or do I need to go with the Shock/Strut kit too?

But I love the XB that's why I bought it . ; )

Love to hear your suggestions before I put anymore things in. Thanks!!!
 

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The rear suspension doesn't include a strut. However, it does utilize a seperat spring and shock. Thus making a rear strut bar pretty much impossible. However, TRD and Tanabe do produce a front strut bar. I'm not sure how better the handling is with this piece. I'm still waiting for other and better options.

My suggestion would be to purchase and install the TRD rear sway bar. It should help out a bit. I have the full Hotchkis TVS (springs and sways). While it does lower the car a bit more considerably than the TRD's, I do like how it handles with everything.
You could just scoop up the Hotchkis sway set and you should handle fairly well! ;)
 

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These cars are way to lose in the rear.................. I will be lowering mine and baring the rear soon...........
 

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Sounds like you guys want more than this little car can give you...or else you're all wild behind the wheel. I've driven mine now in all kinds of weather and at many different speeds and have had no problems whatsoever with the handling. My previous vehicle was a 4WD, 5-speed, 4Runner which did everything except walk on water, so I am quite happy with my xB.
 

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These cars have alot more to give they are just soft so the masses wont *****...... With alittle help i bet the 2nd gen B would handle pretty damned good. I used to auto X so yeah I do get alitttle crazy every once in a while................
 

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Naturally, the xB has a bit of oversteer.
It is MUCH more neutral than most FWD cars, but still understeers. It seems "bad" to me mainly due to my other main ride being a RWD Miata that has been made even more neutral balanced than stock (basically, corner balanced).
The stock handling is remarkable, esp. when one considers the suspension design and that it has a front sway bar, but not a rear. I think Toyota intentionally DROPPED the rear sway to keep this understeer, which most drivers not used to RWD cars expect and anticipate when driving, is commonly believed to "help" people from over correcting when in risk (That is likely "bunk") as the car tends to want to do straight, and more. The fact that there is PERFECT points for the sway bar brackets and the bar fits so nicely into the rear i-beam leads me to believe it was designed with a rear sway in mind that was NOT kept for the stock car, but allowed an "add-on" sway to be easily installed.
I think a rear sway SHOULD have been part of the stock box, period. People disagree with me on that point.

To neutralize the understeer more, an xB needs a rear sway that works well with the front to balance it. The TRD sway is designed to work with the stock front sway, so it gives amazing bang-for-buck to make it a more neutral handling box.
http://newscionparts.com/product/?id=2647
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=1566
The Hotchkis set is a somewhat more "aggressive" set that works together to give a neutral handling that is slightly "better" than the TRD (what a specific driver likes varies, so "better" is relative). The bars are bigger, stronger, and lighter (hollow).
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=2148

The stock springs are good, but somewhat soft. Toyota did this (IMO) to make the ride better for most drivers and more comfortable for the larger percentile of owners. Stiffer springs allow less body roll, different suspension movement and less "bouncing" of the suspension's moving pieces, at the cost of a rougher ride.
The TRD and the Hotchkis ones improve the handling of the box.
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=1565
Hotchkis-> http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=2149

I plan to get the Hotchkis sways and springs (as they should match the sways well) this winter, hopefully for Christmas . . .
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=2148
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=2149

The xB has EXCELLENT handling for a vehicle in its price and size range. I test drove MANY vehicles before I got the xB. My next test car would have been a Mini Clubman for $4,0000-$5,000 more. For the SMALLER interior and what I am about to say next, it wasn't worth that much more $$$ for me (if I had gotten rid of the Miata, I MIGHT have looked harder at the Mini).
That said, I am convinced that it has enormous potential for improvement and CAN get to near-Mini levels pretty easily. The sways and springs make an enormous change in handling, for the better. They are the biggest "bang-for-buck" to improve the box's handling.

As the stock shocks wear out, or if you get springs LOWER that the Hotchkis ones, I would get the "sport" springs. As far as I know, the only shocks (struts?) DESIGNED specifically as an upgrade for the xB is:
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=2000
http://newscionparts.com/product/?id=2755


Hellen4Wheels,
Some of us come from other vehicles and LOVE good, high-performance handling cars. I was SHOCKED at how good the xB is stock. However, I think it can be better (even more to my liking). So, I want to make it as close to a larger/bigger Miata/Mini as I can on a reasonable (small) budget. The sways and springs make a HUGE difference.
For most drivers, the stock suspension is FAR better than what they have driven and are used to.
They can tell a difference with the TRD sway and that is PLENTY for improving handling as far as is needed ny most people at little-to-no cost in ride. Like I have said before and above, that part SHOULD be on EVERY xB that Toyota makes. I would LOVE to know the real reason Toyota dropped/did-not-include the rear sway on the box from the factory.
Compared to the 4Runner, the xB must handle like a DREAM!

-The first half-year in my box has had a STOCK suspension and I am mostly happy with it, except in certain situations where it seems to "plow" rather badly to me. That can be "fixed" easily and make it drive more to my liking on mountain twisties . . .
I don't like understeer very much . . .
Though, as long as the suspension is PREDICTABLE, I'm OK. I HATE unpredictable handling!
 

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I am running the Hotchkis sways and K Sport coilovers and mine handles like a rail. There is no sway at all and it is very responsive to say the least. I am going to do the TRD strut bar for the front. Mainly for looks as the motor compartment is really open and bare. I hate the fact that you can see behind the motor. The strut bar hides some of that.
 

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No Limitz Ind said:
I am running the Hotchkis sways and K Sport coilovers and mine handles like a rail. There is no sway at all and it is very responsive to say the least. I am going to do the TRD strut bar for the front. Mainly for looks as the motor compartment is really open and bare. I hate the fact that you can see behind the motor. The strut bar hides some of that.
have you had any problems with clunking sounds?
 

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TartanJack said:
Naturally, the xB has a bit of oversteer.
It is MUCH more neutral than most FWD cars, but still understeers. It seems "bad" to me mainly due to my other main ride being a RWD Miata that has been made even more neutral balanced than stock (basically, corner balanced).
The stock handling is remarkable, esp. when one considers the suspension design and that it has a front sway bar, but not a rear. I think Toyota intentionally DROPPED the rear sway to keep this understeer, which most drivers not used to RWD cars expect and anticipate when driving, is commonly believed to "help" people from over correcting when in risk (That is likely "bunk") as the car tends to want to do straight, and more. The fact that there is PERFECT points for the sway bar brackets and the bar fits so nicely into the rear i-beam leads me to believe it was designed with a rear sway in mind that was NOT kept for the stock car, but allowed an "add-on" sway to be easily installed.
I think a rear sway SHOULD have been part of the stock box, period. People disagree with me on that point.

To neutralize the understeer more, an xB needs a rear sway that works well with the front to balance it. The TRD sway is designed to work with the stock front sway, so it gives amazing bang-for-buck to make it a more neutral handling box.
http://newscionparts.com/product/?id=2647
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=1566
The Hotchkis set is a somewhat more "aggressive" set that works together to give a neutral handling that is slightly "better" than the TRD (what a specific driver likes varies, so "better" is relative). The bars are bigger, stronger, and lighter (hollow).
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=2148

The stock springs are good, but somewhat soft. Toyota did this (IMO) to make the ride better for most drivers and more comfortable for the larger percentile of owners. Stiffer springs allow less body roll, different suspension movement and less "bouncing" of the suspension's moving pieces, at the cost of a rougher ride.
The TRD and the Hotchkis ones improve the handling of the box.
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=1565
Hotchkis-> http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=2149

I plan to get the Hotchkis sways and springs (as they should match the sways well) this winter, hopefully for Christmas . . .
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=2148
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=2149

The xB has EXCELLENT handling for a vehicle in its price and size range. I test drove MANY vehicles before I got the xB. My next test car would have been a Mini Clubman for $4,0000-$5,000 more. For the SMALLER interior and what I am about to say next, it wasn't worth that much more $$$ for me (if I had gotten rid of the Miata, I MIGHT have looked harder at the Mini).
That said, I am convinced that it has enormous potential for improvement and CAN get to near-Mini levels pretty easily. The sways and springs make an enormous change in handling, for the better. They are the biggest "bang-for-buck" to improve the box's handling.

As the stock shocks wear out, or if you get springs LOWER that the Hotchkis ones, I would get the "sport" springs. As far as I know, the only shocks (struts?) DESIGNED specifically as an upgrade for the xB is:
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=570&Part_cat=11&parts_id=2000
http://newscionparts.com/product/?id=2755


Hellen4Wheels,
Some of us come from other vehicles and LOVE good, high-performance handling cars. I was SHOCKED at how good the xB is stock. However, I think it can be better (even more to my liking). So, I want to make it as close to a larger/bigger Miata/Mini as I can on a reasonable (small) budget. The sways and springs make a HUGE difference.
For most drivers, the stock suspension is FAR better than what they have driven and are used to.
They can tell a difference with the TRD sway and that is PLENTY for improving handling as far as is needed ny most people at little-to-no cost in ride. Like I have said before and above, that part SHOULD be on EVERY xB that Toyota makes. I would LOVE to know the real reason Toyota dropped/did-not-include the rear sway on the box from the factory.
Compared to the 4Runner, the xB must handle like a DREAM!

-The first half-year in my box has had a STOCK suspension and I am mostly happy with it, except in certain situations where it seems to "plow" rather badly to me. That can be "fixed" easily and make it drive more to my liking on mountain twisties . . .
I don't like understeer very much . . .
Though, as long as the suspension is PREDICTABLE, I'm OK. I HATE unpredictable handling!
Jack how well does the rear sway help with the plowing issue ? I have pushed my way thru a few turns ,with the traction control off for obvious reasons. I have had the car thru a few hair pin turns but long sweepers are no fun even tho I am on DF210s body roll is still unexceptable.
 
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