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As a listener, I like natural sounding bass and solid mid range clarity with clean highs. I'm not an audiophile but I listen lots to a wide variety of music from salsa to opera to R&B, bluegrass, reggae, string quartets, symphony, rock, blues, lots of jazz especially early stuff and bebop, world, folk, Billie & Frank as well as doo **** and acapella.
Been suggested that I have six new JL speakers replace the dealer installed ones , a JL amp and JL subwoofer installed under the front seats and, if I want to keep costs down, retain the dealer installed radio. Also having an alarm system installed that will run off my key. Price tag for all with labor of less than $2200.
Any thoughts on going this route and/or alternatives would be greatly appreciated.
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well as an audiophile, i would say it seems a bit steep. I would suggest the following budget system for a well rounded setup. Gear only:
Bazooka VSE-SCI-145L-07
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AutoPage C3-RS730 LCD (C3-RS730)
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theres other things out there other than JL audio. do your research before you spend that kind of money. dont let sales people bully you into one brand. which JL makes really good stuff they are not the end all be all. also if the place installing the alarm is willing to use an alarm not purchased from them(some do, some(many)do not) ive got good deals on alarms this month. some are on my website, couple arent. the stuff that calvin posted is really good stuff as well. the closest i have to things like that are from precision power. good equipement. that or RE audio.
 

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Judging by the variety of music you listen to, I would say stick with higher end equipment. Hertz, Audison, ADS, Boston Acoustics would be a few of the brands on the top of my list for SQ applications. They are pricy but if you search the net well enough you will find plenty of good used equipment at a fraction of the cost.

I am personally not a fan of JL. They are over priced for what you get IMO. There are plenty of brands out there charging the same money for far better quality.

My system is comprised of mostly used but mint condition, equipment. I have nearly 4000 watts rms total and spent less than what your shop is quoting you. Calvin has a saying... "A good rule of thumb is a $1 per watt". That holds true as long as its new. Used the game changes dramatically.

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Ive got a whole hertz system waiting to go into my car. can't wait. quality stuff.
Nice. You won't be disappointed. I am not as big on their subs but their components are among the best I have heard.
 

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JL Audio for a 2012 XB

Thanks Calvin, M in the B, AP & Phobic.
Couple of questions:
Calvin - don't I need an amp to better power the sub and the speakers?
And an abstract problem: Is the idea to duplicate in a car the space that so alters the sound when you are listening at home? What strikes me is that I'm listening at home on a little inMotion portable Sansa port speaker system with the subwoofer outputting to an old Bose Acoustic Wave. I like the sound of this because it is very natural bass with good midrange and good enough highs. What I heard in the car in a demo of the JL speakers was not nearly as spacious and natural. It sounded bright but compressed.
And, lastly, during the demo in a BMW, we used a flashdrive I brought and the salesguy said the CD's from which I copied the .wma files would sound better than the flashdrive. I've been feeling like the files on my mp3 player sound better than the CD's I copy them from and would think the flashdrive would also sound better because there is no mechanical rotation to contend with.
Any more thoughts and advice would be welcomed?
 

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I have a 32gb flash drive in my car. I love the fact that I can access many hours of music without having to burn new CDs, or load/store the CDs in my car. Plus the fact that extreme hot or cold does not effect a flash drive, but will effect a CD and/or the rotating mechanism. My son once put his flash drive thru the clothes washer and the clothes dryer, and it is still working.

If you are careful you can get 32gb for much less than $25. I got mine at Fry's Electronics for less than $20 on sale.
 

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yes you do need the amp to run the speakers properly. the $1 a watt mantra is good to a point, since while there are companies out there (arc audio, hertz, audison, boston, etc) that will charge that much for them, there are others that are just as good for less than those big companies. dont look at the prices to judge the quality, listen for yourself. the companies these guys are telling you are incredible companies and make really good stuff, however they are also designed for high end SQ, and while that IS what everyone wants, some ppl dont want to spend that kind of cash on speakers. ive heard some MTX components(oddly enough, lol) and some RE components that honestly the SQ difference between those and some of the higher end components were negligable at best. not to downplay the high high end equipment, they are great, im just saying that to YOUR ear you may not be able to tell much of a difference. and if you cant tell then why spend the extra $? it just seems to me that the whole car audio scene has become "ya well i spent $x on my system" oh ya well i spent just that much on my amps". it just getting a little ridiculous to me, mind you thats just what im seeing in ppl ive been dealing with. you just have to be honest with yourself and what you like, and your budget. while the budget you mentioned is decent enough to get really good components, after amps (the $1 a watt at 400-600 watts, thats $400-600 for just ONE amp) will get pricey FAST. we can all give you recommendations on what to get and what will sound best based on our professional and personal opinions, but in the end its what sounds best to you. everyone hears differently. i personally will roll out a lot of my high high end like 5KHZ and up like 2-3 DB(does that sound right cuz i cant think of how to explain how i tune things, lol) cuz i cant stand that sharp S, CH and P sounds. i prefer a softer sound to my lyrics and music than some people do, and with some components they will always reproduce sounds like that, while others may not. i chose what i chose in my car because of how it played my music to my liking. does that mean you'll like it in yours, not neccesarily. e.g. polk audio components tend to have like a boomy mid driver while the precision components in the same range do not, they are more rounded sounding. its all on your personal preference.

look into the companies that have been suggested, and stay away from all the mainstream hype. choose what you think sounds best to you and go from there. just my suggestion.

as far as the MP3 vs CD and what you were saying, sometimes when you put songs on a flash drive or something it compresses the files and makes them not sound as good. make sure everything is not compressed. thats the only thing that would really change sound quality. how it was taken off the CD should sound just the same on an MP3 device. the compression is what makes it change.
 

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Amped is right, everyone should buy what sounds best to them.

To the OP, you seem to have a good grasp on what you expect from your system.

In my 20 years of being around car audio, I have used both ends of the spectrum and with my experience the higher end equipment is built to last. That is why buying used is a very good option.
 

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Hey BrickPig or anyone who knows. I bought a 32 gig flash drive, filled it with music and my radio does not appear to be reading nearly all the files. Didn't I read somewhere that the radio was able to deal with 250 gigs? Any thoughts.
Also the second car audio oufit I went to suggested a totally different approach to upgrading my system. He thought I should replace the radio with a JVC and keep the OE speakers with the possible addition of an Advent subwoofer.
Very confusing though much cheaper.
Thought I'd talk to the Geek Squad at Best Buy tonight and see what they think.
Any thoughts?
By the way, my wife & a pal wonder whether we really need an alarm.
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Hey BrickPig or anyone who knows. I bought a 32 gig flash drive, filled it with music and my radio does not appear to be reading nearly all the files. Didn't I read somewhere that the radio was able to deal with 250 gigs? Any thoughts.
Also the second car audio oufit I went to suggested a totally different approach to upgrading my system. He thought I should replace the radio with a JVC and keep the OE speakers with the possible addition of an Advent subwoofer.
Very confusing though much cheaper.
Thought I'd talk to the Geek Squad at Best Buy tonight and see what they think.
Any thoughts?
By the way, my wife & a pal wonder whether we really need an alarm.
Cas
My thoughts... Please. Please. Stay far away from Best Buy for car audio.
 

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Hey BrickPig or anyone who knows. I bought a 32 gig flash drive, filled it with music and my radio does not appear to be reading nearly all the files. Didn't I read somewhere that the radio was able to deal with 250 gigs? Any thoughts.
Also the second car audio oufit I went to suggested a totally different approach to upgrading my system. He thought I should replace the radio with a JVC and keep the OE speakers with the possible addition of an Advent subwoofer.
Very confusing though much cheaper.
Thought I'd talk to the Geek Squad at Best Buy tonight and see what they think.
Any thoughts?
By the way, my wife & a pal wonder whether we really need an alarm.
Cas
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Hey BrickPig or anyone who knows. I bought a 32 gig flash drive, filled it with music and my radio does not appear to be reading nearly all the files. Didn't I read somewhere that the radio was able to deal with 250 gigs? Any thoughts.
Sorry I only have about 2GB of mp3 files on my flash drive so I'm no where near the full capacity of the flash drive. Maybe someone else who has more files on their flash drive can comment?

Now you've got me curious, I need to compare the files on the flash drive as read by my PC and find out if my stock head unit can see and play them...
 

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My thoughts... Please. Please. Stay far away from Best Buy for car audio.
+1 i concur! although their prices are reasonable, they are for a reason... lol. they are mid level at best.
 

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Learned my lesson quickly about Best Buy. Good warnings M in the B and Amped. Waited around for the guy running my local BB's mobile electronics - never spoke to him because when they located him in the middle of an installation he walked right past me and never said a word. Didn't wait for him to come back!
Oh well.
So the plot has thickened.
Last night while chatting with me on the Scion site about the USB flashdrive issue the rep realized I have the wrong radio installed in my 2012 XB. I have the 2011 system with no Bluetooth and no HD. So he informed the powers that be and assures me I will hear from my dealer in 48 hours to install the correct 2012 equipment!
We'll see.
If it does go this way, I'm going to try for an installation by the dealer of the subwoofer suggested by Calvin. They should be willing to do that if I pay for the speaker & the extra labor costs, don't you think?
Then, if the new audio system sounds acceptable, I'll keep it. If not, I'll be looking at everyone's suggestions again.
BTW, the flashdrive goes like this according to the Scion rep. The system will recognize up to 255 folders which is a lot less than I have on my 32 gig drive. So the question becomes, can one fool it by combining several albums in one folder, maybe under an artists name? Does one have to change track numbers to avoid duplication? Is this worth the trouble?
As always, your thoughts, experiences and informed opinions are very welcome.
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Good you ran away. It's not just the equipment they have but 9 times out 10 their personnel have no idea either. I say that not to offend anyone who has or still works for Best Buy mobile. But people who know audio would agree I am sure.

Please try to listen to the bazooka sub before buying it. Many people have been less than satisfied with the results.
 

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OK M in the B
I'm near White Plains NY.
Where might I hear one?
I really don't want to give up any space in the box and I don't need vibrating bass.
What alternatives are there. Everything else I've seen even the small JL is going to sit on the back cover of the toolspace above the tire.
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ive been putting the thread up for a custom stealthbox i want to make for you guys, but im not willing to to do it for only one or 2 ppl, its just not feasable. i need 5 deposits to get it going. as far as the bazooka tubes, go to bazooka's website. theres things out there other than the traditional bazooka tubes that actually sound decent, but most places dont carry them becuase they arent popular so theres no profit.

i used to work for best buy mobile back in the day (actually where i got MECP certified) and we were fairly knowledgable of the products and what sounded good and what was decent, with what i had to work with. whats funny is that the sound room that the best buy had where i worked the amps were just for show, all the speakers were run by the same pheonix gold amp that was hidden under the selector panel. so they all would essentially sound the same, just the differences are the speakers himself, think about that one for a minute. just put that into comparison when you go to a store like that. when i worked at circuit city i built the boards that all the stuff was displayed on. they all were run with 10ga wire. so how can you really judge what its gonna sound like in the car when they are wired like that. food for thought.
 
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