[AZ Sun Lover]

Hi,
I'm a newbie to xB as you can see. I know a guy who builds exhaust systems from the hearer/s back and he is just North of Atlanta GA. He would like to get an late model xB in his shop to make jigs for a full 2.5" exhaust system. He makes great exhaust system as I have had a few of his systems for our Mazda MX-5's / Miata's. He biggest movers are for Miata's with 4 bangers to V8's, he build systems for MINI's, welds up systems for the company in the link below. He uses mandrel bends, Magnaflow & Borla mufflers, welds Mig & Tig, uses stainless steel or can get parts ceramic coated. He has his flanges custom water cut.

Please fell free to email at; [email protected] me or PM me anytime.

Bell Experimental Group - BEGi

Jason shop is small and he does it all by himself, this is his web site below.

Enthuza Car, Inc.

Thanks for looking,
AZ

 

[TrevorS]

You are indeed a "newbie", but my observation is you have a highly exaggerated opinion of yourself. You're welcome to the community, but please recognize the greater experience of those who preceded you. The value of the community is their combined experience and resulting insight, your presumed knowledge is helpful to no-one, most definitely including yourself. Best wishes !

 

[alfundo]

??? what did he type to get that assessment? he is just looking for someone to get some measurements done and spouted some exhaust brands.

There is a big Scion show in Atlanta on St Pattys day, perhaps you'll have better results on the Sanitarium thread @ scikotics.com

 

[ai17828]

?

Did I miss something? Where's the exaggeration?

 

[AZ Sun Lover]

You are indeed a "newbie", but my observation is you have a highly exaggerated opinion of yourself. You're welcome to the community, but please recognize the greater experience of those who preceded you. The value of the community is their combined experience and resulting insight, your presumed knowledge is helpful to no-one, most definitely including yourself. Best wishes !

What did I say to upset you?

I'm new and this is the 1st Toyota/Scion I have owned that was not a 4x4. I don't tow my quads to the dunes anymore & a bunch of other things truck owners do. So we didn't need a truck any more and Toyota/Scions are the best built auto's in the market period! Plus I can't buy a truck in white (AZ summer heat) with a manual transmission. (I like to drive, not ride in!) I will never buy a American owned maker again, been there done that mistake three times. We have two dogs, we like taking them with us places, we go to Costco and buy a boat load of stuff, gas keeps going up & up & up....I think you get my point? These are the three main reasons we bought the xB. Plus it's cute in it's own way. Nissan tried to sale me a Cube, sorry they are flat out fugly. I know the xB is not a race car and I'm not trying to make the xB into one. I'm just looking for a better flowing exhaust system that can still be somewhat quite. My loud exhaust system days are far behind me.

I was told by many a Toyota parts personal the scuba was a resonator and was told the same by Toyota tech's it was a resonator also. Why should I note trust the person who make's their living by repairing Toyota / Scions?

Truly Sorry,
AZ

If I can get someone over to Enthuza I can have Jason build a complete exhaust system.

Now I need to research a TRD quick shifter & OEM alarm system. My mods will be complete other than maybe buying Hotchkis sway-bars. I bought a TRD rear sway and it really helps but I *think* I might want a little more bar. We owned a MINI Cooper S also, thank God for lemon laws. It was really fun to drive but fun only goes so far when the cars at the dealership getting warranty work.

 

[TartanJack]

Now . . .
I didn't realize that Enthuza was based in North Atlanta . . .
I DO know who it is from my old Miata ties and it is THE exhaust system I would like if/when I dump my Racing Beat.

If someone wants to do, it I HOPE they do!

I'm 2.75 hours from the Lilburn area. If he is looking that way, let me know. I'd put up a long weekend to help.

Edit:
Oh, and looking at the site, I see he sells a self-branded version of the DDM Works intake. My Miata was the test-fit car to be sure it fit with the "wide" 1.6L Racing Beat headers when Dave first created it. If it cleared those, it would clear anything . . .
Dave has also worked on my car many times, inc. my last 60K service. Ask DDM about me, if you need more info on me (check PM for my actual name).
Also, Jason's shop is in Kennesaw- Northwest Atlanta (up I-75 from downtown ATL). So, anyone that direction toward Chattanooga or Nashville could be great candidates too!

 

[TrevorS]

What did I say to upset you?

I'm responding to the bull you dumped on us in the Scion xB forum -- playing innocent doesn't work, integrity does.

Here's the thread I'm referencing: "Scuba" is it a Cat and or Resonator? Plus... - Scion xB Performance & Tech Help - Scion xB Forum

I'm not saying your suggestion is bad, just that I'm unable to trust your opinion.

 

[AZ Sun Lover]

Hi,
I'm a newbie to xB as you can see. I know a guy who builds exhaust systems from the hearer/s back and he is just North of Atlanta GA. He would like to get an late model xB in his shop to make jigs for a full 2.5" exhaust system. He makes great exhaust system as I have had a few of his systems for our Mazda MX-5's / Miata's. He biggest movers are for Miata's with 4 bangers to V8's, he build systems for MINI's, welds up systems for the company in the link below. He uses mandrel bends, Magnaflow & Borla mufflers, welds Mig & Tig, uses stainless steel or can get parts ceramic coated. He has his flanges custom water cut.

Please fell free to email at; [email protected] me or PM me anytime.

Bell Experimental Group - BEGi

Jason shop is small and he does it all by himself, this is his web site below.

Enthuza Car, Inc.

Thanks for looking,
AZ

I'm responding to the bull you dumped on us in the Scion xB forum -- playing innocent doesn't work, integrity does.

Here's the thread I'm referencing: "Scuba" is it a Cat and or Resonator? Plus... - Scion xB Performance & Tech Help - Scion xB Forum

I'm not saying your suggestion is bad, just that I'm unable to trust your opinion.

"Trust my opinion"

The only "opinion" that has changed is doing a full exhaust system from 2.25" from the OEM header to the rear OEM muffler. (I'm guessing the ID of the OEM muffler is 2.25") After I went under the xB with a mic. and found the front half of the "S" pipe is 2.5". I then wanted to do 2.5" from the OEM header to the tip.

Why don't you ask TartanJack about Enthuza. I'm willing to bet he knows of Enthuza's/Jason's work.

I'm here because I'm a new owner and would love a sweet sounding exhaust system. We bought the xB for my DD and my Miata is now a garage queen. I rarely listen to the stereo, I just drop the top and listen to my Enthuza exhaust system. Yes, I have bought a few exhaust systems from Jason, & he has helped me every step of the way. I know Jason is a good tradesman and has great customer service. If he wanted 1k for an exhaust system I would gladly pay it. If I had the time I would drive from AZ to GA for an exhaust system from Jason. He has been very good to me as a customer.
I'm betting some of the younger owners would like a plug & play "test pipe" instead of the "scuba". I was younger many years ago.

AZ,
Randy

 

[TartanJack]

Guys, this thread is WAY too heated for what was intended.

I do know of Enthuza and am glad he is still around AND intended to branch into xB2s from primarily playing with Miatas/Miatae/MX-5s.
Excursus: For some reason, I keep thinking I may know Jason from a decade ago (pre-kid era for me, back when I could spend real money playing with my car- which was my 90 Miata, which I still have-> and looks like a Team Lotus road race refugee). A guy I used to talk to quite a bit ran a site called "SoloMiata" and he mixed optimum parts from different Miatas onto his red 90 model to make a wicked Solo car. (I was planning to install an RX-7 flapper bob, but never got it tuned where it wouldn't choke coming off throttle. So, it's in my shed and my original is still on.)


Anyways, as I recall, the general thought is that the "scuba" is a combined resonator and the primary high-flow cat in one. If anyone can prove otherwise, one way or another, I'd be VERY happy to know for certain.
As I recall a discussion somewhere is that the scuba is internally a high-flow cat, but the "heat shield" is built to be a double use as a high-flow resonator. That way, the sound levels on all the aftermarket exhausts are kept somewhat in-check from being insanely boomy. That is esp. important in that the xB's shape would make any high volume drone significantly amplified and would resonate it to much higher levels inside- much more than a traditional sedan or even "hatchback" shape. I forget the physics and sound dynamics reasons why, as I'm not a sound engineer and didn't pay that close attention.
I also didn't link the source, as it wasn't important. Part of me thinks it was an early discussion in one of the forums Eric (original owner of this site) bought after it effectively died-> thinking specifically of gen2xB.com or g2xb.com (I was one of the last "new members" ever).

 

[TartanJack]

Oh, and Enthuza is WELL known and respected in Miata circles, or was a few years ago when I "dropped out" of Miata stuff thanks to a severe disagreement with my local Miata Club head, a move further geographically from the club, and the arrival of a second kid that got on the loose and into EVERYTHING. I've no reason to think anything has changed from then.
It isn't based in Arizona, but Kennesaw, GA. I knew Enthuza was East Coast, but didn't realize was Atlanta. as far as I know, Randy has NOTHING to do with them besides a customer for his "other" car (past or present) and wanting a quality exhaust in the form Enthuza makes, plus Enthuza is interested-> which is a HUGE plus in my book.
I DO know the manufacturer or another stuff on the Enthuza site. It's made by the guy that works on MY Miata, who used my Miata to test-fit come prototypes/early models of his stuff. I test-fitted the 1.6 intake to be sure it would clear my headers, as happened to have the widest (by far) ones made for the NA model. It cleared by 1/4 inch . . . As it fit, he knew there wouldn't be problems selling them to anyone else on-line or for vendors to carry either (no customer complaints of non-fitment).
"My guy" wouldn't do business with a crook. I LITERALLY trust him with my own butt.
Maybe, I can get HIM to make xB2 stuff . . . (hehehehehehe)

I plan to call Jason soon, anyways.

 

[Enthuza]

Tartanjack, Do contact me when you get a chance (404)310-3302. Maybe you can help find a good local Atlanta owner to serve as a testbed for a new exhaust and midpipe. I sell the DDM works intake and Dave sells my miata exhaust systems. I build most of the other systems for the mini, atom, sky, and solstice he sells at DDM works. THanks, Jason.

 

[jdusty914]

What all and about how long would this involve? I live about 3 hours from Atlanta. I was wondering if you would have to take anything off of the car or what. I can come over there on a Saturday for you to get the measurements, but if it is going to take all day then I probably won't be able to. My wife wants to go to Atlanta for a day. Just let me know please.

 

[alfundo]

FYI, Sanitarium in Atlanta on St Pattys day

 

[TrevorS]

After I went under the xB with a mic. and found the front half of the "S" pipe is 2.5". I then wanted to do 2.5" from the OEM header to the tip.

Just for the record -- the OE "S"-pipe is aprox 2-1/4" for the first half and 2" for the second. The "scuba" entry pipe is also 2". When I installed the W-R "S"-pipe (2-1/2"), I ported the "scuba" entry pipe to match it.

 

[TrevorS]

As I recall a discussion somewhere is that the scuba is internally a high-flow cat, but the "heat shield" is built to be a double use as a high-flow resonator. That way, the sound levels on all the aftermarket exhausts are kept somewhat in-check from being insanely boomy.

As many threads in various forums attest, the "scuba" has a huge resonator (muffler) effect on the final exhaust sound. This cannot be accomplished by merely applying a shield to a catalytic converter, it has to be a deliberate design by the engineers. At one extreme is the OE axle-back which includes a resonator and results in barely any exhaust sound. At the other extreme is replacing the OE axle-back with the Borla exhaust that contains no resonators whatsoever and results in a sound that many find highly attractive.

On the other hand, replacement of the "scuba" with a cat is an aural disaster. In fact, even replacing it with a resonatpor and a cat typically results in excessive noise. It's more than clear the "scuba" is in fact very definitely a resonator (as well as a cat) and is in fact the main resonator. As I originally stated, the "scuba" is both a resonator and a cat. This is not something that should be misunderstood!

 

[TartanJack]

The muffler part IS huge!
In fact, it IS my muffler right now. My present exhaust is JUST bent pipe after the scuba. It gives a GREAT, classic "sports car" sound.

 

[TartanJack]

As many threads in various forums attest, the "scuba" has a huge resonator (muffler) effect on the final exhaust sound. This cannot be accomplished by merely applying a shield to a catalytic converter, it has to be a deliberate design by the engineers. [snip]

Yep, that's what I was alluding to, but maybe a bit too subtly.

As for:

On the other hand, replacement of the "scuba" with a cat is an aural disaster. In fact, even replacing it with a resonatpor and a cat typically results in excessive noise. It's more than clear the "scuba" is in fact very definitely a resonator (as well as a cat) and is in fact the main resonator. As I originally stated, the "scuba" is both a resonator and a cat. This is not something that should be misunderstood!

That's what I figured. I was trying to say that I've never seen it cut apart myself to "prove" that it was what I thought it was.
I WAS the one who said it was a high-flow cat-and-resonator/muffler-in-one. Being as long as it is, it's MUCH more than a simple design of a modded heat shield.
My point was that it was designed so that there is a central high-flow cat at the core and then a specific and well designed high-flow muffler/resonator is built that also serves as the heat shield for cat.
To do such is a HUGE engineering challenge and a complex/high-level design.

 

[AZ Sun Lover]

TrevorS,

Why don't you call Scion @ 1-866-707-2466 and follow the prompts? (#3)

When you get the nice Scion rep on the phone, ask the rep nicely that you would like to know what the 3rd piece of pipe is on the Scion xB 2008 to present day Scion xB exhaust system. That's what I did. I told the rep, "The 1st part is a header/manifold with a hole for the front/1st 02 sensor & a cat. The 2nd is a bent pipe some call an "S pipe." It also has hole for the back/2nd 02 sensor. I would like to know what the 3rd pipe is in the exhaust system. Can you please tell me?" It's large, and I would like to know what it is, please.

There is no reason why we can't all play in the same sandbox. Did your kindergartener teacher put a check mark in "Plays well with others?"

Don't be a troll, :nono:
AZ

 

[TrevorS]

TrevorS,

Why don't you call Scion @ 1-866-707-2466 and follow the prompts? (#3)

When you get the nice Scion rep on the phone, ask the rep nicely that you would like to know what the 3rd piece of pipe is on the Scion xB 2008 to present day Scion xB exhaust system. That's what I did. I told the rep, "The 1st part is a header/manifold with a hole for the front/1st 02 sensor & a cat. The 2nd is a bent pipe some call an "S pipe." It also has hole for the back/2nd 02 sensor. I would like to know what the 3rd pipe is in the exhaust system. Can you please tell me?" It's large, and I would like to know what it is, please.

There is no reason why we can't all play in the same sandbox. Did your kindergartener teacher put a check mark in "Plays well with others?"

Don't be a troll, :nono:
AZ

Troll? You've surely got nerve, not sure about much else you may have to offer! You really think this post is going to further your respect in this or any other xB2 forum? I fully stand by every word I've posted! Let others judge!

 

[alfundo]

Trevor does like to argue moot points...and after the thread on SL, id say you like to troll as well.