ya, i havent put them up yet, been working a lot on the performance stuff and getting the site a little more appealing i carry avital, some other directed, but not viper unfortunately, excalibur and scytek. the scytek stuff is really good, and the excalibur stuff too(which is really just audiovox) and fairly priced. the remote start and security run between 130-150, sometimes a little more depending on my distributor. i have a scytek alarm that works off of an iphone, which is really cool, has GPS, and all the features of like the thing that comes with GM that has the car app. the excalibur ones and avital are ones i sell mostly tho, and i deal with installing the excalibur ones it seems more often. fairly straightforward and similar to DEI alarms. i worked at both best buy and circuit city, and what you say is fairly true, although there were some good installers i dealt with. i chose to up my game and learn all i could tho, it seemed at circuit city we were a little more qualified through and through than at best buy.