[u2ssuck]

Ok, I've been driving my '13 Xb for a little over year now, and I'm still not 100% on the feel (or lack thereof) of this clutch. This is not my first manual car. I've owned a Miata, CRZ, and an Si before the box. All of them 5 or six speeds. What the **** is it with the lack of feedback in the pedal in this car? If I even think about driving my Si and then getting in this thing it takes me 2 days to not melt the clutch at every red light. The box is also the only car that's given me any issues in San Francisco.

So, I guess my question is what have y'all done to get better feedback from the clutch? As much as I love this car the transmission is about a deal breaker.
Thanks!

 

[NYxB]

I have a 2012 that I bought brand new in 2013 the clutch grabs very high and takes awhile to get used to. I heard if you put in the scion performance clutch it gives you a better feel. I don't have the $ for that though. Your Si will no doubt have a better feel, I've never owned a Honda manual but they're known to be top notch as you obviously know. I had a second gen Altima and first gen wrx manual in the past. One weird thing that happens with my xB is that especially shortly after starting out after parked it almost doesn't grab and hops the front end but then it's fine, if that makes sense. So I do agree with you the xB's clutch is avg at best.

 

[u2ssuck]

I know exactly what you're talking about. Mine will do the same thing first thing in the morning. I'm at 32000 miles in this thing, so I'm trying to figure out replacement options,as I would imagine it should be needing replaced soon. Didn't they mate this engine to a six speed in the TC? I wonder how it felt there.

 

[Slorocket]

My clutch grabs high too. Have had sticks before but some time ago. Mine does the hoppy thing too every so often. Mostly when cold.
I m not sure to tc is the same motor anymore. Its got 30 more horse than ours so im not sure the differences.

 

[Dale]

I remember when the clutch was connected by way of mechanical linkage and the feel was really quite accurate. The first car that I drove with a hydraulic clutch, was a 1961 Dodge sedan in the military. It took some getting use to, it was touchy and had little feel.

 

[bigbird1971]

I remember when the clutch was connected by way of mechanical linkage and the feel was really quite accurate. The first car that I drove with a hydraulic clutch, was a 1961 Dodge sedan in the military. It took some getting use to, it was touchy and had little feel.

While I'm sure the mechanical linkage was great for feel, I wouldn't trade the gear box synchronizers we have now for gear grinders back then.

 

[BrickPig]

2008-present xB engine: 2AZ-FE
Toyota AZ engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2011-present tC engine: 2AR-FE
Toyota AR engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Someone had adapted a manual 6-spd trans from the 2AR-FE to a 2AZ-FE engine in a pre-2011 tC, he enjoyed better mileage but it was a custom job and cost $$$.

Long-time readers of this forum know that I think the lackluster transmissions in the xB (especially the 4-spd automatic) is a glaring weakness of this car, especially since the competition (the Kia Soul) came out later than the xB yet offers multiple drivetrains and has upgraded their drivetrains multiple times since it first came out in 2010. They currently offer a 1.6 or 2.0 liter engine with a 6-spd automatic or 6-spd manual.

 

[u2ssuck]

My fiancé's automatic Xb isn't so bad. A 5 or 6 speed would be nice. Toyota should have another option for transmissions in the lineup they could use in the Xb. I wonder if there is a way to mod the slave cylinder to get better feedback. I don't know how anyone runs a lighter flywheel in this thing.

 

[NYxB]

My 5 speed isn't great nor is it terrible, I am surprised how I do like the xB more than I thought I would, dare I say it's a lot more fun than not fun. Lol. And we're talking about an old design and drive train that's over 7 years old yet still decently compares to the newbies on the market. Not sure if they will, but Scion should strongly consider keeping the xB model going with a redesign that keeps the soul of the first 2 gens.

 

[2010SWxb]

My 2010 with 78k has all the symptoms described in this thread and more. No feel, very high engagement point, chattering clutch when cold, etc. And to top it off the throttle delay our cars suffer from. And throw in the clunky drivetrain. Mine clunks anytime you let the clutch out after the car rolled a few feet with the clutch in. I still can't get completely used to it after 4 1/2 years. I've driven the automatic as a rental and I regret my decision to get the manual everyday.

 

[SCIONICONS]

here in Canada, two guys I know fits matrix 6 speed transmission (xrs I think) in the xb2 and love them a lot. I don't know about how big the job is but i'm sure its fuel efficient.

 

[NYxB]

My 2010 with 78k has all the symptoms described in this thread and more. No feel, very high engagement point, chattering clutch when cold, etc. And to top it off the throttle delay our cars suffer from. And throw in the clunky drivetrain. Mine clunks anytime you let the clutch out after the car rolled a few feet with the clutch in. I still can't get completely used to it after 4 1/2 years. I've driven the automatic as a rental and I regret my decision to get the manual everyday.

Yup the occasional throttle delay is the overly cautious traction control kicking in. I thought I was the only one with the cold clutch problems I was going to tell scion about it at my next service, I'm around 14k miles.

 

[Paul1114]

here in Canada, two guys I know fits matrix 6 speed transmission (xrs I think) in the xb2 and love them a lot. I don't know about how big the job is but i'm sure its fuel efficient.

Do you know anything more about this? I've been curious about a 6 speed swap myself, but the unknown is the ECU

 

[SCIONICONS]

Do you know anything more about this? I've been curious about a 6 speed swap myself, but the unknown is the ECU

i'll try to get info about that.