[Paddler54]

Recently noticed more wheel sag than I can tolerate in my 2012 stock xb !
Question ?
Would a airlift bag system fix this ?
Or would shims be the answer?
Car has 10,009 miles
Never been overloaded, 750 lbs max once
Car is stock
Any one else feel this way?

 

[BrickPig]

You said your "car is stock" so I assume that means stock springs all around.

From the factory, the xB has a noticeable "rake" front to rear, that is, the front wheel gap is smaller when compared to the rear wheel gap, and the overall effect is the rear end of the car is up higher when compared to the front.

Most lowering springs (TRD, Tanabe, etc) eliminate (or at least minimize) this. What I'm saying is, the "rake" is real and so most aftermarket springs seek to level the car out.

So are you saying that the rear end of your car is too low? And that you feel the car is sagging at the rear?

An airspring "helper" system (air bag inside the OEM coil) would fix this but if pumped up too much, would also stiffen the ride noticeably.

(Maybe you want to buy my stock springs? Very low miles!)

 

[SCOTTRODS]

What, exactly does "sag" mean in your post?.... I don't know of wheels that Sag... Are they wearing their pants around their thighs?... I don't understand at all, obviously....

Next question would be how much "sag" can you actually tolerate?.... Is there a margin to look for? and how would one measure it?

I know I sound like a Smart-***.... but it truly isn't my intent. I flat don't get it.... My questions should at least garner answers that would shed some light on this issue for me...

 

[Paddler54]

I. Don't mean level I mean / \ looking at rear of car from the rear / \ so the tires wear mostly on the inside, I by NO MEANS WANT THIS CAR ANY LOWER IT WON'T CLEAR ROAD KILL ALREADY .
hope this clarifies things / \ // \\ //// \\\\

 

[BrickPig]

"Tires wear mostly on the inside" sounds like an alignment problem. I'd get this checked especially since this is a 2012. Since the rear alighnment can't be adjusted, if you are out of spec, you can claim warrenty repairs.

 

[Paddler54]

I have owned 4 vihicles that have alignment problems . Most of which I've owned since new. Only recently got my 97 club wagon corrected, took it back under they said it was in spec & yes I got it new , took this long to find an alignment person that knew how to get it right.
Sold a ztw focus I bought new after a year because it appeared to be the same story
And once more while it's under warrenty it's ok but it's eating tires.
At this time the rear tires are ok , sort of they only show slight inner wear
Been looking at other xb's and to my eye this is a common problem.
I seem to be alone here as I use my xb as a common utility vehicile ( like a car you drive to work ) I drive on gravel everyday & straddle road kill every day , go over incline entrance/exit ramps , ROUGH railroad tracks & snow
Wife was right we need a Subaru
Thanks and cheers

 

[SCOTTRODS]

Ah... ? / \..... That makes the answer quite clear.... Weak Springs, bad shocks maybe.

I've noticed a ton of nice cars with the same **** issue looking at them from behind.... I was beginning to think that was intentional from the manufacturer. If mine begins to do the camber change thing, SCION/TOYOTA will be badgered to death.... Mine only has 1031 miles on it today, so I haven't had any time to wear anything down or anything. (It's a 2012 also). I can assure you it's not something I would tolerate either. I had no idea it was called sagging... It's all good now.

Thanks for the explanation.

For normal discussion with old mechanics... we call that a negative camber. If the tires are wearing abnormally fast, it is also likely there is a toe issue as well. but if the wear is slow, but only on the inside like that.... definitely only a camber issue.