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I found a local guy selling a TRD strut bar and rear sway bar for $150 used for both. Only issue is he does not have the rear sway links, I did not find a listing anywhere for these so I assume they are Toyota only? Or are they the same as another Toyota vehicle that they are available aftermarket for?
 

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Are you sure it's the newer bar that came with links, and not the old breakable one?

I recall a conversation somewhere on one of the forums about replacements, and I don't think they were ever located for purchase without the bar. I'm sure you could find something that is close enough, but by the time you throw in the cost... you might as well just get the awesome Hotchkis front and rear kit for $260 shipped (currently on order, but it's worth the wait).
 

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There is a sticker on the bar with part # PTR11-52091 which as far as I can tell is the newer style bar with the links. I am going to call a different Toyota dealer tomorrow and see if they have listing for them separate but it doesn't look real good.
As far as the Hotchkis kit it is a good deal BUT I was not going to change the front one and if you factor in the $180 for the strut tower bar that is $440 total so unless the links if available are exorbitantly priced that is a big price difference. Will post what I find out as soon as I can.
 

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I found the links listed separately as PTR11-47012, but the price is absurd; you're going to spend nearly $100 on them (cheapest I found was low 90's after shipping, but Amazon has them prime for about $98).

So you've got a bar that is worth around $120 without links if it were new and a strut bar that is 100% cosmetic (they are only for looks on our car); I'd see if you can negotiate with the seller; maybe get him to take $100.
 

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I found the links for the same $ as you but I would like to point out that while they are expensive the bar is $260 new which is high yes BUT it is also the improved bar. The set you linked to going by the pictures of it is the old breakage prone bar with no links that attaches directly to the shock bolts. So given the choice I would rather get the newer design if I could and I would definitely try to get him to $100-125 if I can.

As far as the strut bar doing nothing I would have to disagree as at the end of the day it is still a unit body vehicle and they are all prone to flex in the strut tower area and after having this on the lift for a few tire rotation and oil changes I saw no evidence of any built in bracing etc that would make me believe that it would not help. Besides ,you are the reason I started looking for a bar when you posted the one for $149 on Amazon so I blame you LOL JK of course ��

I am in no rush so I will wait a few days to contact him and see how it goes. There is also an underside brace on eBay to connect the subframe rails I am considering as well.
 

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I wouldn't agree that the new bar is "improved"; they simply added flexible links to a slightly updated design to prevent it from breaking. TRD has a history of making questionable parts and then trying to bandaid them later (the supercharger disaster is a good example of this). The Hotchkis bar is the way it should have been designed in the first place, and it doesn't break. That being said, the new TRD bar is the way to go if you want to stick with TRD. I think it's totally worth it if you're comfortable with the price.

If you look at how our body is designed, the top strut mounts are right against the firewall, so flex is little to none. This is a topic that has been hashed out many times before; the bar looks good, but it's just cosmetic at the end of the day. Just like cold air intakes, fart cans, magic vortex gas saving tornado spacers, etc., there's always someone who claims it turned their car into a Ferrari, but it's just not the case. These bars make a real difference on cars where the towers are far from the firewall and can have a lot of flex. I personally went with a Tanabe bar because it looks a bit better and it's adjustable (though it's still just cosmetic, and I'm cool with that), but the TRD bar has it's merits; it's technically a Toyota part, so it might add a little value (where aftermarket parts generally add none).

The sub frame braces look pretty cool, but as with most chasis and suspension upgrades, you need to know what you're getting into. You have a few choices:


  • SSD Performance front chassis brace for $91.95 shipped. I don't think these are still being manufactured (the company doesn't list Scion products anymore) but there are still a few listed on eBay. There isn't much flex up front to speak of, so I don't know how effective it would be, but the design looks solid. The bolt "cups" are pretty low so I would highly recommend grinding them down, and exercising a lot of caution if you're lowered (snagging something on that bar could be catastrophic).

  • Tanabe "under brace" (front chasis brace) for around $100-120; it's just a hollow bar with holes on the end... the geometry would suggest that it doesn't do a **** thing (lots of discussion on it elsewhere), and if I'm going to risk snagging and ripping things apart under my car, the SSD option seems a lot better.

  • TB Performance has a whole series of braces for our car. The rear strut bar may have some value; I've absolutely seen and felt flex from the rear mounts. The traction bar seems a bit nuts; not sure how it's supposed to do anything at all. Not sure about the mid chasis brace; I don't think anyone else offers one. I believe Greg S runs some or all of these parts, so he may have a lot more info.
 

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I saw the SSD brace and that is the one I was looking at getting possibly. I am still thinking about whether to buy the used setup or go new or just leave it as is. I still need to get my roof refinished and that is going to be around $1k total all out of pocket so I may just put all my $ towards that and get it taken care of and out of the way. I am still somewhat shocked over the high price of the links though , made my wallet cry LOL
 

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You might stop and ask yourself why you're interested in things like chasis bracing... at this point you should probably focus on the most effective modifications, if any.

Repairs should always come first, followed by the modifications that give you the most return on your investment.
 

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The why is I want to tighten up the car a little bit without spending a small fortune and eventually put some different wheels and tires on it to help improve handling further. I was having lots of issues with it especially the transmission (read some of my other posts to get more info on that) but when I swapped the stereo back to the stock one the shifting issues have only occurred one time so maybe the battery disconnect caused a relearn of the transmission? Not sure but glad it is improved. Fluid still looks like crap so I am going to change it soon. I was going to trade it in but the huge loss I would take on it (I put $5k down in cash and paid about $3k back of the loan) made me just keep it and learn to deal with it and fix what I can afford to fix and live with the rest.

I am going to try touching up the roof myself with Dr.colorchip after cleaning out the chips/spots with a fiberglass pen. I have nothing to lose if it is no good then I just take it to get fixed at the body shop. If it turns out acceptable I will put the $ that was going towards the roof into a few things I want to do to the car for my own enjoyment like wheels, speakers and other things. My problem is I get bored really quick and since I owe about $6600 on it still I want to do things to it to keep it "fresh" and just keep driving it.
 

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Paul1114- do you know why the Hotchkis 22429 kit is listed to fit up to 2010? I added up buying the used bar and factoring in gas, tolls and drive time in addition to the price of new links and bar and brace I think maybe the Hotchkis kit may make more sense. Any insight on the fitment or another kit that will fit? My car is a 2012 BTW so I want to know what will fit before I buy anything.
 

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There are no differences in the suspension between 2008-2015 at all; the Hotchkis kit probably only lists 2010 because that's what they originally designed it for, and they didn't go back and verify it for newer models.
 

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The Hotchkis set is special order, so it may take a couple more weeks than usual to arrive (last time I checked it was 9/21)
Not a big deal. As soon as I get them, I will put them on. I'll do the springs and bars at the same time. The only problem is that the delay has me looking at the DF210 Springs and thinking a 2inch drop may be tastier. TR better come through before my wallet takes another hit.:grin:
 
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